This is a place to have an open discussion about James Yi and DCBC.
Monday, July 18, 2011
Purpose of this blog...
The purpose of the this blog is to provide a neutral space to have an open discussion about Mr. Yi. The congregation has the right to know the facts about Mr. Yi.
We all believe that the church of God should be run by God,unlike any other societies. Voting in our congregational meeting is not the sole route of resolving our problem of today,but maybe this is the only way as of now. Whether pastor Yi stays or leave, the antagonistic feeling among the members still exists. In realty,pastor Yi is the main reason of our conflict.
"Exousia" and some members (even some pastors) indicated that : (1)leaving of previous senior pastor is the main reason of our problem today. (2)They also stated that our church has previouly divided.
UNBELIEVABLE!!!
Pastors,brothers & sisters,what are you saying above make me sad. Your teaching and your behaviors make me feel uncertain. Is the harmony in you working together & serving God at DCBC then is a fake situation? Are pastors all wearing phony masks in teaching the congregation & serving God?
Do you know that Yi never went back to three churches that HE SERVED before? Interesting!!! Why??? Go to ask him. BECAUSE HE WAS KICT OUT!! Rumor?? No. It is true. It can be found out in the internet and you can call the church to prove it too.
After pastor Yi left three churches he served before, he never went back to those churches. Why? ?? Let me tell you. (1)Milwaukee Chinese Christian Church. He got the elder position after being member there for only one year, because he told the church that he was chairman of elder and deacon board at previous church. (a)He objected to the retirement benefits (amount) of the founding pastor. (b)He made a good relationship with the English minister and formed his own group of members. (c)He was strongly against buying a church building. After the church building was purchased, the church expanded more than twice in attendees. (d) Other elders and church members were very bothered by his egomania in serving God. After he found a new job in CA, he still didn’t agree to resign the elder’s position. Finally the church had to remove his membership. (Mrs. Yi stood up in the congregation meeting to protest the decision.) (2) Tri-City Chinese Baptist Church Mr. Yi was in CA a total of three years. He rose from a layman to minister and then PASTOR. He left this church less than two year after he had been ordained as a pastor. When he got a job in CA, he went to this Chinese church. He befriended the elder pastor. Soon after he lost his job(not he Gave it up) he became the church’s minister. He again formed a very good relationship with English pastor. Somehow he made the elder pastor ordained him as a pastor soon after the elder pastor removed another young pastor. After he became the pastor, he didn’t agree with the elder pastor. He threatened the church by resigning with the English pastor.(Maybe it will happen at DCBC)
******************************** Before he went to Minnesota Mandarin Christian Church, he and another pastor (pastor Chang) looked for a church together. Who is pastor Chang? Pastor Chang was the pastor of the Twin City Chinese Christian Church after Rev. Huang a well-known and respected leader left. Then Pastor Chang was removed by that church. Then Pastor Chang formed the current Minnesota Mandarin Christian Church which was the church Pastor Yi served before he came to DCBC. Pastor Chang left the US and is living in Taiwan. Do you get an idea how Pastor Yi landed in MMCC? ********************************* (3) Minnesota Mandarin Christian Church This small church became even smaller after the pastorYi served there. There are some things that I don’t want to disclose, but I want to point out that pastor Yi never went back to the church. That church is now suffering from membership loss and does not have a pastor.
Conclusions: What I have written above is true. An obvious continuing pattern is that Pastor Yi is very good in building his small group and he uses these people to support him. If he doesn’t think you are the kind of person he wants (e.g. people bitter with the church), you will not be recruited. This is objective but is true. You can use this synopsis of pastor Yi’s past to compare with the ongoing struggles at DCBC. In the two years, it is how and why DCBC is divided.
Got the letter from Pastor Yi yesterday afternoon in the mailbox.
He stated in his letter:
"I will resign from DCBC as your Senior Pastor. My last day with DCBC will follow the Bylaw requirement."
At first, I thought he resigned already and no need to go to Church to vote any more this coming Sunday. However, when I read the letter more, I realized he said he would resign, which means it has NOT happened yet.
In realty when someone resigns, he submits his resignation letter to his supervisor first. After working out the transition plan of his work and last day with his supervisor, he then notified everyone else in his work place about his resignation.
How interesting Pastor Yi notified the congregation first about something seems to be fact but actually has not happened yet. Should he submit his resignation letter to the Elders and Deacon Board first? Should he work out a transition plan and his last with Church leaders second? Then he notifies the congregation last?
He did not mention the exact date when he formally submits the letter of his resignation at all. Is he going to submit as he claimed? What is the actual date ?
Also about his last day, in my limited understanding, according to the Bylaw, a Senior Pastor needs to submit his resignation letter 6 months ahead of time. So does it mean he can stay in our church as a Senor Pastor for another 6 months after this uncertain date when he would resign?
His letter is not clear and ambiguous. It is very misleading.
We definitely need to go to Church to vote this coming Sunday.
Every DCBC member needs to ask the following questions: Why did Mr. Yi send his resignation letter to every DCBC member instead of church leaders only? Why did he send the "response to elders" letter to his supporters and then resignation letter to all members at almost same time/day? What is his real purpose? resignation, or just gaining a advantage on voting, or stopping the voting at all?
Please come to vote on 10/09 unless Mr. Yi signs a resignation agreement with church leaders to resign immediately.
There was a meeting tonight at 6PM for Pastor Yi supporters. Not sure why he has meetings that are not open to the entire congregation. These exclusive meetings lead to disunity.
I pray that our church will have a spirit of unity. I also pray that members will not drag past hurts into the current debate. Most importantly, I pray that our church will be able to find a Godly Senior Pastor and English Pastors soon.
Now I know why Mr. Yi insisted his last day in DCBC will be Oct 31 instead of resigning immediately. because he needs 3 more weeks to play the following games:
1. Try to take over DCBC by changing current elders, and deacon board. In 2nd day after Yi sent his resignation letter, he sent a letter to ask the elders to resign/to be removed. But our by-law never mentions that the elders are removable. The elders have not done anything wrong. So the elders do not need to worry because we (congregations) are supporting you.
2. Give the pressure to the church leaders by having a few pastors who support Yi to resign. This will not success because our congregation will realize that their activities neither help us to re-unit our church nor show their loving to our church and our church could survive even without them.
3. Control deacon board election by manipulating the deacon candidate list. Our elders have to take the role of senior pastors in the process of finding deacon candidates.
Satan is continuing to try to divide and destroy our church. But God will protect us.
Matthew 4:10: Jesus said to him, "Away from me. Satan!"
Psalms 23:4: Even through I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
YHG, Can you post Pastor Yi's letter which requests Elders to be removed here? And do you know from which Church leaders I can go to verify this information?
YHG, Yes, I will verify with the elders and all the deacons. This matter is getting from bad to worse partly because there are too many rumors flying around. And the fact that church members are being fed with bits and pieces of information. It is hard for me to believe the other pastors would take their actions lightly.
(continue on the last Anonymous's comment...) To me, the other pastors' actions signify two possible things: 1) They really love playing politics in the church. Or 2) They are sick of seeing others playing politics in the church.
I have a dream: If Mr. Yi was not in DCBC in the past 2 years, our brothers/sisters would not fight against other brothers/sisters in families, fellowship groups and church. We would still have a sister fellowship/ministry. We would not lose 5 pastors/ministers including our respected Min. Auyeung. We would have more time to focus on EE, and missionary trips.....
My dream will become true as Mr. Yi is leaving. Please reunite, forgive each other and build a better and stronger DCBC. God bless DCBC.
GBD said... I have a dream: If Mr. Yi was not in DCBC in the past 2 years, our brothers/sisters would not fight against other brothers/sisters in families, fellowship groups and church. We would still have a sister fellowship/ministry. We would not lose 5 pastors/ministers including our respected Min. Auyeung. We would have more time to focus on EE, and missionary trips.....
GBD,
I don't understand how and why everything is directly caused by Pastor Yi alone. I am sure if anyone wants to step up and lead EE, missionary trips, sister fellowship, cooking, or whatever ministry that is good for expanding God's kingdom. No one will ever stop him/her. Please enlighten me...
Why have the situations occurring this year never happened in past 40 years of DCBC history? What was the root cause? Everyone needs to think about these question.
GBD said... Why have the situations occurring this year never happened in past 40 years of DCBC history? What was the root cause? Everyone needs to think about these question.
Never happened!? Or is it a repeated pattern? (Pastors come and go like changing fashion ;) ) I agree with you that we need to reflect on these questions and see if it is our own problem or not.
These are the "situations" I mentioned in my previous message: In over 40 years of DCBC history, there has never been any other pastor like Yi, who was lying in his resume, made our pastoral staff, deacon board and congregation so divided. I heard that Yi caused conflictions in even some of our families because the husband (or wife) is supporting him while the wife (or husband) is against him.....
What Mr Yi had done is totally wrong. Why do I say so?
I will assume that all that Mr Yi's resume was a pure mistake and names that he put on his resume is genuine.
A good pastor is not going to make a church to split, if a good pastor sees the church is splitting because of him he should be the one first to sacrifice to save the church.
Mr Yi did not take that path and remain in DCBC and cause the emotions in DCBC to boil.
As Pastor Andy mentioned "A pastor is just a slightly better lamb in the eyes of our Lord." We need to know who is our real leader. Pastor Andy continue to say "Our real leader is the one above, our savior, Jesus Christ".
If our Pastors isn't our ultimate leader why do we chose to leave the church because our pastor left?. Therefore it saddens me that because of Mr Yi's problem cause our dear church to split.
Why Pastor PJ and Pastor Andy leave I do not know but I know their action of leaving DCBC they have their own reason but I still respect for them in my hearts.
Please remember we are all God's children before Mr. Yi's arrival, during and even after his departure. Please reconcile with your brothers and sisters in the church so that we can together serve our Lord as a big family.
Been three years, since Pastor Yi's (and rest of the staff) departure from DCBC, and this year she, the church, found a new Senior Pastor, still seem divided.
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神是愛我們的,神會聽我們的懇求,DCBC不會被伊牧師給拆散的,伊牧師要向神負責.一個這麼被神重用的教會,豈會被魔鬼給吞吃.
過去伊牧師一而再,再二三的分裂教會,他從一來DCBC,就把教會鬧得不安寧,短短一年多,就出好多事情,真不相信有這樣的牧師,他好像政界的人,排除異己,鞏固勢力,挑撥族群
還有政治口號-順服牧師,違反者就被去除,他濫用神的話說:得救不完全.
更出了政治文宣-睜眼說瞎話.散播謠言,粉飾太平.
We all believe that the church of God should be run by God,unlike any other societies. Voting in our congregational meeting is not the sole route of resolving our problem of today,but maybe this is the only way as of now. Whether pastor Yi stays or leave, the antagonistic feeling among the members still exists. In realty,pastor Yi is the main reason of our conflict.
"Exousia" and some members (even some pastors) indicated that :
(1)leaving of previous senior pastor is the main reason of our problem today.
(2)They also stated that our church has previouly divided.
UNBELIEVABLE!!!
Pastors,brothers & sisters,what are you saying above make me sad. Your teaching and your behaviors make me feel uncertain.
Is the harmony in you working together & serving God at DCBC then is a fake situation?
Are pastors all wearing phony masks in teaching the congregation & serving God?
我們教會從眾牧師到眾會友都要檢討,當然包括我在內,向神禱告,神不喜歡看到我們分裂,這麼多神的ユ作要做,為什麼要因一個人的過失,害這麼多人犯罪,安靜禱告,十月九日去投票即可,相信神會帶頜.
Do you know that Yi never went back to three churches that HE SERVED before?
Interesting!!! Why??? Go to ask him.
BECAUSE HE WAS KICT OUT!!
Rumor?? No. It is true.
It can be found out in the internet and you can call the church to prove it too.
After pastor Yi left three churches he served before, he never went back to those churches.
Why? ?? Let me tell you.
(1)Milwaukee Chinese Christian Church.
He got the elder position after being member there for only one year, because he told the church that he was chairman of elder and deacon board at previous church.
(a)He objected to the retirement benefits (amount) of the founding pastor.
(b)He made a good relationship with the English minister and formed his own group of members.
(c)He was strongly against buying a church building. After the church building was purchased, the church expanded more than twice in attendees.
(d) Other elders and church members were very bothered by his egomania in serving God. After he found a new job in CA, he still didn’t agree to resign the elder’s position. Finally the church had to remove his membership. (Mrs. Yi stood up in the congregation meeting to protest the decision.)
(2) Tri-City Chinese Baptist Church
Mr. Yi was in CA a total of three years. He rose from a layman to minister and then PASTOR. He left this church less than two year after he had been ordained as a pastor.
When he got a job in CA, he went to this Chinese church. He befriended the elder pastor. Soon after he lost his job(not he Gave it up) he became the church’s minister. He again formed a very good relationship with English pastor. Somehow he made the elder pastor ordained him as a pastor soon after the elder pastor removed another young pastor. After he became the pastor, he didn’t agree with the elder pastor. He threatened the church by resigning with the English pastor.(Maybe it will happen at DCBC)
********************************
Before he went to Minnesota Mandarin Christian Church, he and another pastor (pastor Chang) looked for a church together.
Who is pastor Chang?
Pastor Chang was the pastor of the Twin City Chinese Christian Church after Rev. Huang a well-known and respected leader left. Then Pastor Chang was removed by that church. Then Pastor Chang formed the current Minnesota Mandarin Christian Church which was the church Pastor Yi served before he came to DCBC.
Pastor Chang left the US and is living in Taiwan.
Do you get an idea how Pastor Yi landed in MMCC?
*********************************
(3) Minnesota Mandarin Christian Church
This small church became even smaller after the pastorYi served there.
There are some things that I don’t want to disclose, but I want to point out that pastor Yi never went back to the church. That church is now suffering from membership loss and does not have a pastor.
Conclusions:
What I have written above is true.
An obvious continuing pattern is that Pastor Yi is very good in building his small group and he uses these people to support him. If he doesn’t think you are the kind of person he wants (e.g. people bitter with the church), you will not be recruited.
This is objective but is true.
You can use this synopsis of pastor Yi’s past to compare with the ongoing struggles at DCBC. In the two years, it is how and why DCBC is divided.
提摩太前书4：16上
你要谨慎自己和自己的教训，要在这些事上恒心；
提摩太后书3：5
有敬虔的外貌，却背了敬虔的实意；这等人你要躲开。
敬虔的外貌是指这个人很会讲属灵的话，口中感谢主前感谢主后，赞美神 前赞美神 后；所以他讲的话非常有吸引力！在讲台上很有台风，很丝丝文文讲道，不会要得罪人；大家都欢喜高兴他；可是他却背了敬虔的实意！他有满口属灵的话，但是他的做法却是很厉害的：他很会玩弄权柄！他会表面答应你，转个弯来变成他没有答应你。你问他：“你昨天答应我了！”他却回答说：“我忘记了！”这是有敬虔的外貌，却背了敬虔的实意！有些人呢，信仰是有神论，可是他们的生活却是无神论。
对不起，我犯了一个HONEST MISTAKE，应该是马有藻牧师9/29/11培灵会。
今天我来到你们当中，来处理一些我和大家都所爱的DCBC近年来第一次发生的和全教会有关系的问题。公有公理，婆有婆理，我相信全体教会的弟兄姊妹都悲痛不已！不堪忍受的走了，留下来的都是长忍悲痛的人；离开的人有离开的原因，留下来的人有留下来的原因。离开丶留下的人都是爱教会的；爱教会的人都是爱主的人，因为教会是主耶稣基督用宝血买回来的，祂舍去祂自己的生命买赎回我们的生命！
今天我一方面很开心看见你们，另一方面我也很痛心！主耶稣将我们的生命买赎回来，所以如果我们有一个不爱主的生命，我们就是猪狗不如！一个爱教会的人是一个有成熟生命的人；不爱教会的人他的生命是对教会的事不理不睬，他们只懂得吵吵闹闹丶无理取闹丶有理取闹！主耶稣基督都给他们弄得啼笑皆非！我们看见教会最近还发生很多问题，发现很多人都失去了对教会的爱。让我们一起来祷告，求神给我们一个爱 神爱教会的心（热爱），希望每一个人都有一个舍己爱自己教会的心（热爱）。
我们一生下就进入一个家庭里面，我们对这个家庭有使命丶有责任，我们要做一个好孩子丶好儿女；我们长大了，要做一个好丈夫丶好妻子丶好爸爸丶好妈妈丶好女婿.......好东好西，好得不得了；因为我们爱自己的家！我们信主以后，我们就多了一个家庭，就是 神的家。我们有爱神家的使命；每一个人都有一个爱神家的责任，那个使命和责任都没有改变过。爱的层面多一点了，爱的对象多一点了，人多了意见就多了；但是那个爱的层面不应该减少，爱的本质不应该改变！我们要将对自己家的那种爱延伸到对教会的爱；爱自己的家如同爱神的家，我们不会也不应该伤害神的家；正如我们不会故意地伤害自己的家。我们不要在自己的家里好得不得了，在神的家里差得不得了；我们在自己家里是绵羊，在神的家里是豺狼。但愿我们DCBC每一个人都不是豺狼，每一个都是绵羊！
Got the letter from Pastor Yi yesterday afternoon in the mailbox.
He stated in his letter:
"I will resign from DCBC as your Senior Pastor. My last day with DCBC will follow the Bylaw requirement."
At first, I thought he resigned already and no need to go to Church to vote any more this coming Sunday. However, when I read the letter more, I realized he said he would resign, which means it has NOT happened yet.
In realty when someone resigns, he submits his resignation letter to his supervisor first. After working out the transition plan of his work and last day with his supervisor, he then notified everyone else in his work place about his resignation.
How interesting Pastor Yi notified the congregation first about something seems to be fact but actually has not happened yet. Should he submit his resignation letter to the Elders and Deacon Board first? Should he work out a transition plan and his last with Church leaders second? Then he notifies the congregation last?
He did not mention the exact date when he formally submits the letter of his resignation at all. Is he going to submit as he claimed? What is the actual date ?
Also about his last day, in my limited understanding, according to the Bylaw, a Senior Pastor needs to submit his resignation letter 6 months ahead of time. So does it mean he can stay in our church as a Senor Pastor for another 6 months after this uncertain date when he would resign?
His letter is not clear and ambiguous. It is very misleading.
We definitely need to go to Church to vote this coming Sunday.
I really feel he still try to manipulate us. I am so frustrated about this situation. Pray God give our Elders and leaders wisdom
提前4：16有二个谨慎：你要谨慎自己和自己的教训。这说明一个传道人要有二个谨慎：一个是关乎自己，一个是关乎神的教训；关乎自己是关于生命的问题，关乎教训是你的信仰的问题！信仰要合乎圣经，不能够违背圣经；你的生命要配合圣经，不能够口里讲一套，你另做一套！圣经讲男女婚姻，我们不赞同同性婚姻；圣经讲不可奸淫，我们不会去奸淫；圣经说不可欺骗，我们能去欺骗吗？可是多少的时候，我们为了自己各自的前途丶个人的利益丶个人的信誉，做了很多违背圣经的教导，还以为可以瞒天过海丶骗神骗鬼；以为神不知鬼不觉，骗了神骗了鬼！以后东窗事发给人揭破了。还有我们讲的话就变成强辞夺理，老龙套又登场：发起暴动，所以信徒就变成暴民，上帝要在天上痛骂地上不肖的儿女。现在教会发生一件非常严重的事丶很严重的问题；我们以事论事，用神的智慧去分析丶去解决。
差不多的问题都和提前4：16有关，就是关乎那二个谨慎，也是跟教会的牧者有关！下面我讲的话，用“牧师”这个词代表现在的牧师，用“教会”这个词代表非教牧同工。牧师在教训的方面，我发现有些问题是关乎神学方面的，有些是关乎他自己的做人方面的，是关乎他做人的诚信。神学性的问题有关救恩论，他赞同主权得救论。主权得救论就是指相信主还不够，还要把生命的主权献身给神才能得救；如果是这样，小孩子就很难得救，因为他们根本不懂怎么样把生命主权交出来。我相信主权得救论很难带小孩子到天上去。主权得救论在很多方面和圣经有矛盾。
罗马10：10（因为人心里相信，就可以称义；口里承认，就可以得救。）罗12：1（所以弟兄们！我以神的慈悲劝你们，将身体献上，当作活祭，是圣洁的，是 神所喜悦的；你们如此侍奉，乃是理所当然的。） 保罗是对那些得救的人讲话，是劝勉他们把生命的主权交给神。所以我发现主权得救论跟圣经在很多的地方不和谐。主权得救论不是DCBC的传统信仰，也不是传统福音派的信仰；主权得救论把主和救主分开，认为主和救主是分开的。可是在圣经里面我们发现主是代表神的另一个名字；比如：主耶和华说丶主神说，这些名字在大小先知书里出现千百多次；主耶稣基督诞生时，天使有一个宣言：“今天在大卫的城里，为你们生了一个救主，就是主基督。”所以你接受耶稣，就是接受真神。外邦人称他们的神为主，我们称主耶稣基督是我们的主；所以我们看见主和救主是同一个名字。主耶稣基督的12个门徒中有一个叫多马的，他一看见主耶稣基督复活以后，马上大声喊叫说：“我的主，我的神啊！”因为复活就是主耶稣基督是神的明证！保罗说你们只要承认相信耶稣基督是神，你们就得救了。
所以，我们看见信心是有一个层次的，委身丶奉献都有一个层次。那个血漏的妇人一摸耶稣基督的衣服坠子，她就马上得救！她根本不懂得什么是委身奉献；那个瘸子被四个朋友抬去见耶稣，因人太多了，那个瘸子挤不进去，他们就把他抬上房顶，拆开房顶，把他放下去，主耶酥见他对他说：“你的信救了你！”不是他的委身拯救了他，他根本不懂得什么是委身奉献；十字架旁边有个强盗，一相信主马上得救！他也没有去过主日学，没有去过教会，没有听过任何一篇讲道，但是他一信就马上得救了，他也根本不懂得什么是委身奉献。信心是有层次的，小孩子有小孩子的层次，他们有信心却没有委身；成年人有成年人的信心，也有成年人层面的委身。委身不委身跟你的救恩没有关系。有了真信心就可以得救，不管你的信心是多小；只要这个信心是真诚的，那个信心就把你带到了天堂！主权得救论就是把准备将生命主权交给主作为得救过程中的头一个部分；而救恩论的第一点就是信，第二点是准备把你的生命主权交给神，一路到你回天家去！
Every DCBC member needs to ask the following questions: Why did Mr. Yi send his resignation letter to every DCBC member instead of church leaders only? Why did he send the "response to elders" letter to his supporters and then resignation letter to all members at almost same time/day? What is his real purpose? resignation, or just gaining a advantage on voting, or stopping the voting at all?
Please come to vote on 10/09 unless Mr. Yi signs a resignation agreement with church leaders to resign immediately.
有关个人诚信的方面，牧师交给DCBD履历表来申请做主任牧师的时候，他没有神学院的文凭，却填有；这是欺骗教会！这不像他说的是无心而是有意的，是有意的欺骗！你欺骗你的邻居，你欺骗你的太太丶丈夫，我不能管；但是你为了准备做教会的主任牧师而欺骗，那是另外一回事。欺骗对普通人并非列为大罪，但是对牧师就会列为很严重的事；因为他不是普通人，他是教会的领导人，是属灵领袖，是榜样！如果人人都以他为榜样，那么教会必定大乱！教会根据他履历表上填的内容，已经尽力去调查他的背景；当然有些背景不容易被你查到，除非当事人告诉你；于是教会就被他填的资料误导了！差不多过了一年以后，才有人在偶然之间发现有不太对的地方，他就路见不平，拔刀仗义，揭开履历表的秘密；这才知道他是故意地欺骗教会而来做主任牧师；所以教会是受害人！反而现在有人怪教会糊里糊涂聘了他，请错他来，是教会的错，不是他的错，教会翻了旧帐就来清算他；有这种看法的就调转矛头来指控教会犯了大错，于是教会聘牧委员会就蒙了冤屈！但是哑巴吃黄连，有苦自己知！就像有人见到了贼出来，他不去抓贼，反而大怪那些抓贼的人；那可真是滑天下之大稽。后来不久，牧师就说不小心地弄错了；一次弄错了人人都会，二次都有，三次犯同样的错，显然不是无意的，是故意的！如果他再说是无意之心呢，就把自己的诚信越弄越糟了。后来东窗事发，有人发现了，他公开向教会承认有错，表示他也接受不是无意之错而是有意之错。并且他得到教会的原谅；教会是对他好，只是他个人的诚信就蒙受到质疑，他的领导就有一个大黑点；因为他到底不是一个普通信徒，他是教会的代表，他本来有被教会按立的诚信，有被委派要带领人的诚信；一旦有骗人，什么诚信都丢失了！如果他能骗东他也能骗西，他应该在教会树立一个好的榜样！下一回我去骗人，不给人发现就继续骗下去；给人发现了，我就马上后悔给人认错，被原谅了就好像从来没发生什么事，还鼓励那些支持我的人去反对那些原谅我的人。
有人说教会已经原谅他了，还有人向他秋后算账丶拖他后腿丶逐他离开，是教会没有爱心！说一个牧师有错，其中四个主任牧师有没有错？另外还有8个传道人有没有错？4加8这12个人都有错，那么DCBC所请过的牧者丶传道全部都聘错，我们要他们何用？不如通通把他们赶走吧，我们自己教导自己好了！我数一数，从马牧师开始到现在的伊牧师共有七个主任牧师，全部要干掉他们。我同意牧师都是人，不是神仙；人总有错，牧师都有错，都因为有错全部要走清光，全世界的牧师都要走光；那么神拣选牧师来做传道丶牧者是神的错，我们把神干掉吧，那么相信无神论好过有神论。所以我们要小心，要谨慎自己的行事为人，要谨慎我们口中说的话，我们要弄清楚是什么错。不是什么错都要公开，只是对教会有害的错我们才要公开！在那个新约的时代，有很多的教会领袖为财为利丶为名为誉，有神学性地丶有道德性地丶有个人生活性地逐步把信徒带进他们的里面；他们叫做假先知丶假师傅，今天我们就叫他们假牧师。
其实做牧师挺不容易，做一个好牧人带领羊群到青草地，到溪水旁，到安息地，真是用心良苦丶小心照顾跟随他的羊群；全程照顾老羊丶中羊丶小羊；羊走错路就用杆把他带回来；有野狼来的时候，用杖来保护羊；所以很多的时候保护羊群时可能会受伤，当时为了羊的生命却一点都不怕，甚至为羊舍命！为羊舍命不是帮助野狼要羊的命；羊有伤害，牧人爱它都来不及，雪中送炭都来不及，哪会雪上加霜丶在伤口上撒一把盐？如果我有一点不爱我的羊，我会头一个要转行，我不要做羊群的牧人！所以做一个好牧人挺不容易，要肯吃苦丶肯吃亏。好牧人要肯牺牲丶肯卖命，一生都为羊奉上自己。羊不听话，好牧人不准向羊发脾气，不会用杖打羊群，反而对羊说：对不起，我不懂得教你，要改过自己，我替你找一个更好的牧人来带领你，因为我不配作你的牧人！所以做牧人挺不容易，做一个好牧人更不容易！很多教会都有工人荒，因为工人怕带领得不好反而贻害羊群！做牧人伤害羊群的新闻多得很，全美国都有，全世界都有。找一个好牧人挺不容易，找一个好教会也不容易，因为只有好牧人才有好教会，因为二者都分不开的。
一个牧师最喜欢的是给人受浸，但是他首先要尊重自己蒙召的身份：那就是他是神的仆人！神的仆人顾名思义是服事主的人，他是透过服事教会去服事主！教会里面人头涌涌，所以他是服事人头涌涌的每一个人；教会有人争执丶吵架，他去调停；教会有人欺骗，他去教训去警告不要再做；他主导的教会是使弟兄姊妹彼此相爱和睦同居的；如果教会有人分门结党的，他要去告诉他们不要分门结党；分门结党就是分裂教会，就是分裂主的心，是把一把刀插进主的心窝里面！我们千万不要干！那么他自己也绝对不会带头搞革命，去推翻管理他的人，他本身也要服从管理的权柄，这才显出他爱教会，才能显出他是一个好仆人！
欺骗是一个全世界最普遍的罪。全世界骗子千千万万，中国骗子居世界之冠；中国骗子的技术最为高超；有假鸡丶假牛肉丶假鸡蛋等等；中国有句名言：在中国什么都是假的，惟有骗子才是真的！欺骗的人千千万万，什么地方都有在教会里面也不例外。牧师犯了一个很平凡的罪，可是牧师的身份与众不同：他是一个不平凡的人，他是神的仆人丶教会的仆人；不平凡的人犯了平凡的罪是另外一回事！他是教会的头丶教会的榜样，普通人犯并不算厉害，牧师犯了就是顶厉害的！欺骗在一般的公司里面是马上被解雇丶被开除；他怎样悔改丶怎样求情，公司也不会聘他回来，那么他只能够另谋高就。
牧师，一个不平凡的人犯了平凡的罪，教会已经原谅了他，那是教会对他好，可是他需要自己承担后果，他不能继续向以前一样大摇大摆下去。如果教会有冤枉他的地方，教会要认错；如果没有，教会要对方认错。教会是神家，家中的仆人因服事的缘故常常有争执，那很平常，但主人心中一定不痛快！主人爱仆人的爱是肯定的，但是仆人当中也有彼此的相爱；没有彼此的配搭同工，也是常常有事！在香港有一个教会因为某种的缘故，那个教会分成二帮，有拥牧师帮，有反牧师帮，争个不停，告到法院去了；报纸的头条新闻：弟兄打弟兄，拳头分高下！另外还有一条：煮豆燃豆箕，豆在釜中泣。不信主的人看见教会乱七八糟，他们就嘻哈大笑，魔鬼更是狂笑不停。
最近我读到一篇文章，名叫“有情反绝情”！文章说有一个人在冬天的时候去买房子，表面环境都很满意，买成了就搬进去了，不要忘记那是冬天！冬天过了，春天来了，前园后院杂草丛生如森林；因为那是冬天看房子的，那个时候是厚厚的雪盖满前园后院，看不见雪下的杂草；那么春天来了，杂草生了，那个主人就狠心去除杂草啦！除杂草有三个秘诀：第一要狠，狠心干，因杂草和房子的潜质有关系！第二要绝，绝情的绝，不能够姑息，姑息助于养奸，不能留下一个杂草的子孙，因它们长大会来报仇！第三要勤，要常常做，要常常监视看有没有杂草复活！所以拔杂草要够狠丶够绝丶够勤！人总要有情，可是有时候用情要懂得分清楚好的坏的，有时候绝情是唯一解决的方法！
There was a meeting tonight at 6PM for Pastor Yi supporters. Not sure why he has meetings that are not open to the entire congregation. These exclusive meetings lead to disunity.
I pray that our church will have a spirit of unity. I also pray that members will not drag past hurts into the current debate. Most importantly, I pray that our church will be able to find a Godly Senior Pastor and English Pastors soon.
Now I know why Mr. Yi insisted his last day in DCBC will be Oct 31 instead of resigning immediately. because he needs 3 more weeks to play the following games:
1. Try to take over DCBC by changing current elders, and deacon board. In 2nd day after Yi sent his resignation letter, he sent a letter to ask the elders to resign/to be removed. But our by-law never mentions that the elders are removable. The elders have not done anything wrong. So the elders do not need to worry because we (congregations) are supporting you.
2. Give the pressure to the church leaders by having a few pastors who support Yi to resign. This will not success because our congregation will realize that their activities neither help us to re-unit our church nor show their loving to our church and our church could survive even without them.
3. Control deacon board election by manipulating the deacon candidate list. Our elders have to take the role of senior pastors in the process of finding deacon candidates.
Satan is continuing to try to divide and destroy our church. But God will protect us.
Matthew 4:10: Jesus said to him, "Away from me. Satan!"
Psalms 23:4: Even through I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for you are with me; your rod and your staff, they comfort me.
YHG, Can you post Pastor Yi's letter which requests Elders to be removed here? And do you know from which Church leaders I can go to verify this information?
The letter was sent to the elders by Yi. You could verify this by contacting the elders if needed.
YHG, Yes, I will verify with the elders and all the deacons. This matter is getting from bad to worse partly because there are too many rumors flying around. And the fact that church members are being fed with bits and pieces of information. It is hard for me to believe the other pastors would take their actions lightly.
(continue on the last Anonymous's comment...) To me, the other pastors' actions signify two possible things: 1) They really love playing politics in the church. Or 2) They are sick of seeing others playing politics in the church.
I have a dream:
If Mr. Yi was not in DCBC in the past 2 years, our brothers/sisters would not fight against other brothers/sisters in families, fellowship groups and church. We would still have a sister fellowship/ministry. We would not lose 5 pastors/ministers including our respected Min. Auyeung. We would have more time to focus on EE, and missionary trips.....
My dream will become true as Mr. Yi is leaving. Please reunite, forgive each other and build a better and stronger DCBC. God bless DCBC.
GBD said...
I have a dream:
If Mr. Yi was not in DCBC in the past 2 years, our brothers/sisters would not fight against other brothers/sisters in families, fellowship groups and church. We would still have a sister fellowship/ministry. We would not lose 5 pastors/ministers including our respected Min. Auyeung. We would have more time to focus on EE, and missionary trips.....
GBD,
I don't understand how and why everything is directly caused by Pastor Yi alone. I am sure if anyone wants to step up and lead EE, missionary trips, sister fellowship, cooking, or whatever ministry that is good for expanding God's kingdom. No one will ever stop him/her. Please enlighten me...
Why have the situations occurring this year never happened in past 40 years of DCBC history? What was the root cause? Everyone needs to think about these question.
GBD said...
Why have the situations occurring this year never happened in past 40 years of DCBC history? What was the root cause? Everyone needs to think about these question.
Never happened!? Or is it a repeated pattern? (Pastors come and go like changing fashion ;) ) I agree with you that we need to reflect on these questions and see if it is our own problem or not.
These are the "situations" I mentioned in my previous message: In over 40 years of DCBC history, there has never been any other pastor like Yi, who was lying in his resume, made our pastoral staff, deacon board and congregation so divided. I heard that Yi caused conflictions in even some of our families because the husband (or wife) is supporting him while the wife (or husband) is against him.....
可否請DCBC兄姊講清楚到底伊慶荔牧師發生了什麽事情,爲什麽要離開?另外爲什麽林以勒(Jereh Lin)牧師也離開?
What Mr Yi had done is totally wrong. Why do I say so?
I will assume that all that Mr Yi's resume was a pure mistake and names that he put on his resume is genuine.
A good pastor is not going to make a church to split, if a good pastor sees the church is splitting because of him he should be the one first to sacrifice to save the church.
Mr Yi did not take that path and remain in DCBC and cause the emotions in DCBC to boil.
As Pastor Andy mentioned "A pastor is just a slightly better lamb in the eyes of our Lord." We need to know who is our real leader. Pastor Andy continue to say "Our real leader is the one above, our savior, Jesus Christ".
If our Pastors isn't our ultimate leader why do we chose to leave the church because our pastor left?. Therefore it saddens me that because of Mr Yi's problem cause our dear church to split.
Why Pastor PJ and Pastor Andy leave I do not know but I know their action of leaving DCBC they have their own reason but I still respect for them in my hearts.
Please remember we are all God's children before Mr. Yi's arrival, during and even after his departure. Please reconcile with your brothers and sisters in the church so that we can together serve our Lord as a big family.
Love
Wretch
Been three years, since Pastor Yi's (and rest of the staff) departure from DCBC, and this year she, the church, found a new Senior Pastor, still seem divided.
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